Coronavirus

[TheCloudyChef]

Have you guys got any information what happenes if you say No when you're offered a vaccine? They are currently offering vaccine to 50+ but when they start to offer to the youngers, I believe there will be many to say No. What happens next?

I am guessing restrictions will be put in place, and so they should be.

At present, teenagers need ID to prove they are old enough to purchase items or to be allowed into establishments. There's never been an outrage about that, so why is proving you've had a vaccination to travel or to go to an enclosed space like a pub or cinema any different?

A cruise company recently said that they are going to ban people who haven't had their full vaccination. The people commenting are mainly in uproar. I bet they are the same people who would complain if their ship was quarantined on the seas for weeks on end.

Companies are not charities. They don't run on air either. If people do not feel safe, they won't go on board and the company collapses. Same with pubs etc. They don't want to be closed down again, so are safeguarding the customers, staff and profits.

You wouldn't take your child to kindergarten if you knew the teacher is an ex paedophile, so why go to an enclosed space where there's no social distancing, no masks worn, and with people who think it's all a joke and don't give a shit.

If a company doesn't want to employ you because you won't take a vaccination, or a company won't allow you into their premises etc. Then so be it.

[TheCloudyChef]

Have you guys got any information what happenes if you say No when you're offered a vaccine? They are currently offering vaccine to 50+ but when they start to offer to the youngers, I believe there will be many to say No. What happens next?

I am guessing restrictions will be put in place, and so they should be.

At present, teenagers need ID to prove they are old enough to purchase items or to be allowed into establishments. There's never been an outrage about that, so why is proving you've had a vaccination to travel or to go to an enclosed space like a pub or cinema any different?

A cruise company recently said that they are going to ban people who haven't had their full vaccination. The people commenting are mainly in uproar. I bet they are the same people who would complain if their ship was quarantined on the seas for weeks on end.

Companies are not charities. They don't run on air either. If people do not feel safe, they won't go on board and the company collapses. Same with pubs etc. They don't want to be closed down again, so are safeguarding the customers, staff and profits.

You wouldn't take your child to kindergarten if you knew the teacher is an ex paedophile, so why go to an enclosed space where there's no social distancing, no masks worn, and with people who think it's all a joke and don't give a shit.

If a company doesn't want to employ you because you won't take a vaccination, or a company won't allow you into their premises etc. Then so be it.

See I see both sides to this, And yes I agree with companies safeguarding colleagues and Guests it's in their nature to do so.
But .....
And this will be the crunch line to it all.

1- The Vaccine dont stop you getting it or spreading it , so where is the overall benefit of alienating a huge chunk of potential income from banning from pubs ect?

2- The increase in people unable to find work will sky rocket this means more ppl on benefits , causing tax payers to pay more to support those not working

3- When did we lose the right to our own bodies?

If the vaccine stopped the catching and transmission of the virus I'd understand it more but it dont do either so a vaccinated person and a non vaccinated person pose the exact same risk so why does a bit of card saying yes I've had the jab contribute to anything?

I work in a hospital and if front line staff are able to keep working without the vaccine why cant we go and have a beer to unwind.
It's a devide and conquer scenario I feel .



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[Tictok]

They are protecting their money, not the people.

I dunno though.

MAybe discuss???

These aren't peer reviewed, but man, I think we need to talk about the elephant in the room.

I am inclined to agree, the hospitals were empty around here during lockdown. I ended up in A&E after cutting my finger being an idiot stripping some wire, told my lift it would probably be the usual 4hr wait to get sorted, in and out within 30 minutes.

I asked the doc what the deal was and he said they have two covid meetings a day and keep getting told to expect the deluge of patients and they'd had nothing, they were twiddling their thumbs while cancer patients didn't get treatment.

The government line has always been "save the NHS" and those figures @Marcus seem conveniently geared to tow that line.

All the money spent on the emotive campaign to create fear I think was always geared towards the end result of getting people vaccinated, and it's worked.

@Mrs Beefheart 's meme of why people want the vaccine seems the perfect psychological response to restricting people's rights and freedoms, nothing to do with logic or genuine concern for a populations health.

Deaths from flu overtook Covid deaths but who was reporting the details of that? It seems like a carefully selected distribution of certain infomation to produce an emotional response?

I could be mad and I'm not part of the tin foil hat brigade but things just don't seem to add up.

Where is all the advertising regarding eating healthily, building your immune system, getting exercise? That would show care of a population.

[TheCloudyChef]

They are protecting their money, not the people.

I dunno though.

MAybe discuss???

These aren't peer reviewed, but man, I think we need to talk about the elephant in the room.

I am inclined to agree, the hospitals were empty around here during lockdown. I ended up in A&E after cutting my finger being an idiot stripping some wire, told my lift it would probably be the usual 4hr wait to get sorted, in and out within 30 minutes.

I asked the doc what the deal was and he said they have two covid meetings a day and keep getting told to expect the deluge of patients and they'd had nothing, they were twiddling their thumbs while cancer patients didn't get treatment.

The government line has always been "save the NHS" and those figures [mention]Marcus[/mention] seem conveniently geared to tow that line.

All the money spent on the emotive campaign to create fear I think was always geared towards the end result of getting people vaccinated, and it's worked.

[mention]Mrs Beefheart[/mention] 's meme of why people want the vaccine seems the perfect psychological response to restricting people's rights and freedoms, nothing to do with logic or genuine concern for a populations health.

Deaths from flu overtook Covid deaths but who was reporting the details of that? It seems like a carefully selected distribution of certain infomation to produce an emotional response?

I could be mad and I'm not part of the tin foil hat brigade but things just don't seem to add up.

Where is all the advertising regarding eating healthily, building your immune system, getting exercise? That would show care of a population.

The hospital I work in was rammed full with covid upto a few weeks ago,
I'm just concerned about how the worlds going about vaccinated vs non vaccinated,
How can we cause such divisions over a jab that DONT stop you catching it and DONT stop you spreading it? There is really NO difference in either party bar the fact it can help you not get hospitalised, so therefore what gives a pub or airline the right to refuse service when I could still catch or give covid anyway.
As for work places refusing jobs for the un vaccinated , how long till the goverment intervenes due to the sky rocketing benefits bill that will stem from this?
I wouldnt be forced to put anything into my body just for a job so will have to take up the benefits which will hit the working people as more of their tax will be spent via benefits.

I'm not even forced to take the vaccine working around covid in a hospital so y would the pub be a higher risk place for me to warrant the jab.

Dont get me wrong my 1st jabs booked up for April but then what about next yrs jabs and the yr after ,
I think this is the final big push to get national I'd cards with all our biometric data to be pushed through



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[Josh]

I wonder how many people will continue to smoke cigarettes after they get the jab? funny how there's no commercials telling us not to destroy our lungs with toxic smoke safe to buy and smoke stuff that compromises your immune system and lungs, litarally kills you slowly, but we NEED the vaccine no thanks, I'll pass

Strange world we're living in folks. "Stick yourself with this mystery fluid and don't do anything else to help prevent getting sick"

Ah, right. Sounds like a great solution
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[Josh]

Strange world we're living in folks. "Stick yourself with this mystery fluid and don't do anything else to help prevent getting sick"

Ah, right. Sounds like a great solution

That's how vaccines work. You can still get the measles even if you've had both measles jabs.

[TheCloudyChef]

See I see both sides to this, And yes I agree with companies safeguarding colleagues and Guests it's in their nature to do so.
But .....
And this will be the crunch line to it all.

1- The Vaccine dont stop you getting it or spreading it , so where is the overall benefit of alienating a huge chunk of potential income from banning from pubs ect?

2- The increase in people unable to find work will sky rocket this means more ppl on benefits , causing tax payers to pay more to support those not working

3- When did we lose the right to our own bodies?

If the vaccine stopped the catching and transmission of the virus I'd understand it more but it dont do either so a vaccinated person and a non vaccinated person pose the exact same risk so why does a bit of card saying yes I've had the jab contribute to anything?

I work in a hospital and if front line staff are able to keep working without the vaccine why cant we go and have a beer to unwind.
It's a devide and conquer scenario I feel .

Companies are damned if they do, damned if they don't. Think of the huge costs involved if another cruise liner is shored off the coast for a month, let alone the deep cleaning costs etc. If everyone is checked before going onboard AND having the vaccination, then there's a far greater chance of being able to have a holiday on the seas if that's your thing.

No-one is stopping you drinking as all supermarkets sell drink. At least there's fewer drunks on the streets and fewer pavement pizzas littering the place.

I deal with a number of nurses myself, and most have been given the jab. One felt shitty for a couple of days, but that's showing you that your body is working properly.

As for deaths, there's only been one in the UK so far from having the jab. That's far better than other jabs out there, and I do see any uproar about that. IIRC about 2 in one million die via other vaccinations, again, no uproar from people.

My oncologist won't allow me into the hospital until I've had my jab as she has to see me by law because of what they want to give me. I'm having the jab, but not because of the above, but because I already have health issues and two other people are dependant on me.

[TheCloudyChef]

Yh I get all that tbf but the fact still remains that the jab wont stop the vaccinated getting it or passing it on , therefore theres no difference in guest/public saftey of the 2 sides being around each other.
The virus will still spread.
It's all a control ploy in my eyes.
Yes I can drink from a supermarket ect but with how close most hospitality companies are to ceasing trading I think it's not so much of a clever move as I feel we will lose more of these outlets due to low custom vs increase in buisness rate and rents.
Tbf businesses will see this and slowly revert back to normal once they see custom dwindle. But saying that there will always be the local who wont demand the patrons are vaccinated so maybe we will see the return of independent pubs springing back up.


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[Egzoset]

Planet of the Apes (1968 version) soon in our respective neighbourhoods!

Except monkeys won't be immune, just like other mammalian pets...

[Inactive account]

All going on in London today I see , the ppl have had enough