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Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:43 am
Ohh dude sincerely sorry for your loss, although 15 (if a little immature) aint a complete loss, how long did they have left?.

This grow style you say 180 MPH on a motorway.. I say *dragster* . . . one mistake and your on the wall, totaled vehicle and barely alive but at the same time there's no faster way to get there nft/dwc/misters etc your absolutely right. Takes a brave grower to drive those systems especially without a chiller !! much respect and admiration dude for trying, fair play to ya.

I think UV for sure makes a difference, however your gonna have to rerun the test as the root stress could be responsible for the extra stickiness and terps, in fact I'd argue both factors influenced your buds profile. Interesting nonetheless.

Don't you think you'll have problems every time the summer comes ? if you don't either cool the room with AC or add a chiller to res. I noticed you write your thinking to combat this next round by raising the table & less pump time, I'm not being cheeky but I don't understand why/how will this prevent pathogens colonizing again, will running the pump less to drop temp do the trick & what about drybacks ? I'm curious because I don't chill my res(s) & as the temps increase I do worry, once they hit 24c I start adding H2o2 every 3 days, I was ok last year but still I worry so any advice for managing res appreciated.

BTW Im a secret fan, scanned your pics in the past & read quite a lot of your comments here and there, you'd be welcome to my BBQ & you wouldn't need bring your own, unless of course to show off... which would of course be welcomed. Good Knowledgeable comments & a top banana. Credit to GR420... right enuff bromance... laters
Hey @420mFuk,

Even though these had the dreaded root rot I let them run their course so they were in fact done. The weird thing about when they have these types of issues is that the flowers tend to stop growing and start to floss but the thrichomes remain clear until they're truly cooked.

I've run NFT quite a few times and although I ran into the odd issue previously, I never had these types of issues. TBH, I said the summer got me but looking back at the data from the loggers, the water temprature didn't go above 24C. That's perfect as far as I'm aware? I do have another theory though. Previously, I've always used the long, thin types of NFT from nutriculture (mostly gt604). This time I've gone for this gt100 what is square and a lot wider. When I took the plants down I noticed that the rockwook was considerably wet and there were some darker patches around that area. Not only that, this has happened 2/2 times now using the same system. I wonder if the wider tray is dipping a bit in the middle and causing the water to pool up in the middle? There is a support in the middle but if I press on the tray there is a bit of give there too. Mer who knows :lol: I'll drag it out of the shed again around Jan 2023 and give it another go.

Raising the tray and cycling the pump were all old tricks I used to use back in the day. Previously, these systems used to have a brick pattern rather than the diamond pattern. This used to slow the water flow down quite a but and once the root system was established, the water used to back up and suffocate the roots. To remedy this, I used to super glue a bunch of 2ps together and raise one end to speed up the flow. Also cycling the pumps helped too.

This time around I've been following the advice given by nutriculture but I feel like it may just be too wet for cannabis.

Good question around the pathogens. Its a deep rabbit hole and I'll have to butcher the explanation to keep things short :lol: So pathogens are there all of the time. What causes them to colonise the root zone and start to attack is when you start to get damage to the roots. When you flood the roots you kill off all of the root hairs and weaken the roots. Especially when you're throwing a bunch of fertiliser at them too. This causes the root cells to rupture and release exudates and in turn attracts the bad guys to the roots. People ways seem to attribute root issues in these systems to water temprature as do I but its not always the case.

I think I'll give this system one more try and implement all of the things I did previously as well as maybe look to add some extra support to the center and see wagwan. If they rot again than I'll put a hammer through it and maybe swap for 2x604 systems or something. The good thing about the 604 is that it's sturdy enough to throw a bunch of pots on too and use as a drain to waste table. That way I can choose to throw a bunch of pots on if I want to do a pheno hunt or if it's roasting and water temp could be an issue.

And thanks for the compliments dude :) I'll look forward to the invite :)
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Thank you sir, a well thought, detailed explanation which I appreciate, thanks dude I now understand perfectly & see your dilemma ref water pockets leading to stagnation/oxygen depletion causing flow problems which resulted in a pathogen party feeding on your root exudates. I think I understand you. Forgot more than I know, sometimes I just need a little refresh thanks man.

Can't help but think dropping nice 5 node clones into your system for a weeks veg and flip to flower will reduce root volume & help with pipe sag but I'm done giving advice lol you know what your doing & Ive never done NFT personally so nuff said.

Excellent they were in fact done anyway... sweet you might get more than 15 huh...

I mentioned 24C with oxygen retention in mind, I use a mix of systems myself, flood&drain, autopot & sometimes I hand feed areas. I opted for those systems due to worries about heat, water waste + ability to leave for 3 weeks, running a chiller I've always said is not a option. Im probably fretting about nothing, made it through last summer fine, wet/dry sucking action on my coco pots keeps them oxygenated & H2o2 takes care of any nasties in the res, it's just a pain re-adding every 3 or 4 days.

It was seeing your rot & Ive been wanting to pick ya brains so I took the opportunity.

Anyways dude congrats on a successful harvest & making it across the finish line !!! please smoke a victorious big fatty for me seymore. look forward to final weigh in and terp profile info. cheers

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Thank you sir, a well thought, detailed explanation which I appreciate, thanks dude I now understand perfectly & see your dilemma ref water pockets leading to stagnation/oxygen depletion causing flow problems which resulted in a pathogen party feeding on your root exudates. I think I understand you. Forgot more than I know, sometimes I just need a little refresh thanks man.

Can't help but think dropping nice 5 node clones into your system for a weeks veg and flip to flower will reduce root volume & help with pipe sag but I'm done giving advice lol you know what your doing & Ive never done NFT personally so nuff said.

Excellent they were in fact done anyway... sweet you might get more than 15 huh...

I mentioned 24C with oxygen retention in mind, I use a mix of systems myself, flood&drain, autopot & sometimes I hand feed areas. I opted for those systems due to worries about heat, water waste + ability to leave for 3 weeks, running a chiller I've always said is not a option. Im probably fretting about nothing, made it through last summer fine, wet/dry sucking action on my coco pots keeps them oxygenated & H2o2 takes care of any nasties in the res, it's just a pain re-adding every 3 or 4 days.

It was seeing your rot & Ive been wanting to pick ya brains so I took the opportunity.

Anyways dude congrats on a successful harvest & making it across the finish line !!! please smoke a victorious big fatty for me seymore. look forward to final weigh in and terp profile info. cheers

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Cheers fella, should last me to the next run I hope :) Dropping the clones in and flowering is exactly how I'm running this system. Those plants were planted on the 5th May and harvested on the 6th July so the total grow was only 9 weeks start to finish. Always seem to happen later flowering so I'm assuming that's then the roots fill the gullies and add additional weight to the top tray?

22-24C is perfect mate. Your DO will drop off the warmer things get but there should be plenty available at those tempratures. I was going to invest jn a DO meter but never got around to it. Maybe I'll hit up Aliexpress and grab one.
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OK, so the numbers are in and I'm fecking supprised! Considering this was a 9 week run from start to finish and the root rot.

So the total weight bone dry is 697g or around 25oz!

So I'm now packed down for a month or so :( I'll catch you all again when I start the next diary around September.

The mother is getting a little big again so I might have to trim her right back again as she's taken over my whole small mother space again. I'm still on the fence whether to keep this strain. Bumper harvests and caked in crystals. The stone is relaxing, thought provoking and calming with great pain relief effects (so I'm told) but she just ain't my flavour and she's a bit of a tall girl. Pity she doesn't have no coffee terpes. I'm also a bit worried that my loss of smell due to covid has effected my judgement. Its been about 8 months since I lost my smell :( I hope it comes back one day.

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Nice one Seymour, enjoy the fruitz of your labour. :)
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OHH NICE !! I'd be well happy with that, struggle to break 500 in 1x1. Excellent result + the limp across the finish line, shocking. Proper well done mate.

What size space do you have there and how many watts Seymore ? :) i wanna crunch those numbers. Cheers
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Thanks both and thank you everyone that have visited this long arse diary lol
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OHH NICE !! I'd be well happy with that, struggle to break 500 in 1x1. Excellent result + the limp across the finish line, shocking. Proper well done mate.

What size space do you have there and how many watts Seymore ? :) i wanna crunch those numbers. Cheers
I'm blown away TBH there didn't look like there was than much there but I was filling the bags and throwing them in the box and it just didn't stop. I had to double check my scales :lol: Imagine what would be if it didn't get the rot!

So, that area is 1.2m2. The light is a 465w pro lumatek pumping out 2.7mmol/J but it was running ~40% average throughout the grow and 90% most of the flower. I've been manually measuring the PPFD and adjusting accordingly. They did have some CO2 until the regulator broke and they've had the UVB the last three weeks before harvest.

The next diary I run I'm going to publish the PPFD and also break down the feed per element and co2 levels, VPD etc for an interesting experiment and for something to look back on. I've always been a believer that data is the key to success.
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Very nice result @seymore_budz. Nice work mate 🌲🌲🌲
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Very nice result @seymore_budz. Nice work mate 🌲🌲🌲
Cheers K. Kind of fell out of the tree and hit every branch on the way down towards the end but landed on my feet :lol:

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