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Re: leaf issues - advice needed.

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Would you wanna increase CEC of any decent branded coco that`s been buffered, is their really a point of doing that @Marcus ? I would think by increasing it then it may just start messing with ph and hogging calcium and magnesium which it does naturally what with them having a double positive charge it takes them up twice as fast.

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Would Cannazym be classed as organic or not @bigbadbillybob im just thinking aren`t all enzymes organic ?
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Would you wanna increase CEC of any decent branded coco that`s been buffered, is their really a point of doing that @Marcus ? I would think by increasing it then it may just start messing with ph and hogging calcium and magnesium which it does naturally what with them having a double positive charge it takes them up twice as fast.
Worm castings are ph neutral Jimbo.

I believe the whole point of coco is faster nutrient uptake as opposed to mud?

I've always mixed a scoop or two of charge/castings into my coco and seen no sick plants, as do others I've seen on my travels on this here internet.

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Would you wanna increase CEC of any decent branded coco that`s been buffered, is their really a point of doing that @Marcus ? I would think by increasing it then it may just start messing with ph and hogging calcium and magnesium which it does naturally what with them having a double positive charge it takes them up twice as fast.
Worm castings are ph neutral Jimbo.

I believe the whole point of coco is faster nutrient uptake as opposed to mud?

I've always mixed a scoop or two of charge/castings into my coco and seen no sick plants, as do others I've seen on my travels on this here internet.

:idn:
Yes cool on ph neutral but by increasing CEC your coco medium will start to hog calcium and magnesium more or so i would think and by increasing CEC then cal & mag can start to bind with coco and lock it out and possibly fuck with ph cus its holding onto calcium and magnesium. I mean i get you on neutral ph of stuff you adding but CEC is about exchange of ions and anions or is it just ions, (its a mind fuck alright) i think and tis these what determines if ph holds steady int it by having well balanced medium which we buy from shop thats preopped by pro`s, well unless your using £-land coco that is, its a real mind fuck on my head this CEC stuff.

CEC of coco is more than enough for plants needs or so i would think and at end of shift plant will only use what it wants not what you give

Out of interest have or do you ever check run off PH ? Daft question cus i know answer :lol: , but yes i know your plants always look cock on, but is ph always holding steady as she goes. Not that it matters too much iff plants are looking great but getting ph right all way through a grow is better than any bought boost for increasing yields. Out of interest i dont check my run of ph either :lol:

I`m not sure on any of this by the way m8 its just shit stuck in my head im typing out :idn:
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2-Scoops wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:44 pm
Marcus wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:19 pm
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Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:13 pm
Would you wanna increase CEC of any decent branded coco that`s been buffered, is their really a point of doing that @Marcus ? I would think by increasing it then it may just start messing with ph and hogging calcium and magnesium which it does naturally what with them having a double positive charge it takes them up twice as fast.
Worm castings are ph neutral Jimbo.

I believe the whole point of coco is faster nutrient uptake as opposed to mud?

I've always mixed a scoop or two of charge/castings into my coco and seen no sick plants, as do others I've seen on my travels on this here internet.

:idn:
Yes cool on ph neutral but by increasing CEC your coco medium will start to hog calcium and magnesium more or so i would think and by increasing CEC then cal & mag can start to bind with coco and lock it out and possibly fuck with ph cus its holding onto calcium and magnesium. I mean i get you on neutral ph of stuff you adding but CEC is about exchange of ions and anions or is it just ions, (its a mind fuck alright) i think and tis these what determines if ph holds steady int it by having well balanced medium which we buy from shop thats preopped by pro`s, well unless your using £-land coco that is, its a real mind fuck on my head this CEC stuff.

CEC of coco is more than enough for plants needs or so i would think and at end of shift plant will only use what it wants not what you give

Out of interest have or do you ever check run off PH ? Daft question cus i know answer :lol: , but yes i know your plants always look cock on, but is ph always holding steady as she goes. Not that it matters too much iff plants are looking great but getting ph right all way through a grow is better than any bought boost for increasing yields. Out of interest i dont check my run of ph either :lol:

I`m not sure on any of this by the way m8 its just shit stuck in my head im typing out :idn:
My limited understanding of the CEC is that it's the ability of the coir to absorb and exchange positively charged elements with the plants. (cations)

Coir gets buffered to lower some element sites while helping bring up the absorption and availability of other elements.
So the buffering is making little nests for cal/mag to live in and burning down potassium and sodium houses.

As the casting are fairly neutral they increase this CEC evenly without leaning one way or the other. Socialism in the root zone.

But any grub from a shop will be dependent on your tap water being in sync with it??? I reckon.

I only check run off if I have an issue about to rear it's head... then it's normally high as fuck and the plant is chomping on a salt lick. :lol: But the ph is normally solid. Maybe the charge causes the sodium to play funny buggers? Dunno.

I'm in mud now, so I've forgotten all you taught me about coco. :oik!: :lol:

(but I couldn't be without my wormery and the poop it provides me with. Tastes smashing!)
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Not sure how that works with grub from shops but yes i take your point, i suppose its another reason to buy ferts made in their own countries tried and tested here even more if it is @Marcus

Feck knows about adding charge and mineral salts mate its beyond my abilities atmo, i may invest and try it some day :D
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Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:20 pm
Not sure how that works with grub from shops but yes i take your point, i suppose its another reason to buy ferts made in their own countries tried and tested here even more if it is @Marcus

Feck knows about adding charge and mineral salts mate its beyond my abilities atmo, i may invest and try it some day :D
I know there's a place in the UK that test your water and formulate grub for it, but I'm happy in the mud with this plagron alga bloom. All I use now ... no issues with my plants bar a bit of lockout when I try adding pk, so I don't add it now. :lol:

Dex put me onto using charge/castings in coco probably 5 years ago.

Once I dropped the Canna nutes and went to Dutch Pro hard water, I never had any issues at all with my set up. PLants were much healthier and I could leave them alone to grow.

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I can send you a few scoops of my worms poop if you want to try it? A few worms might be in there too. :oik!:
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Marcus wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:53 pm
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Not sure how that works with grub from shops but yes i take your point, i suppose its another reason to buy ferts made in their own countries tried and tested here even more if it is @Marcus

Feck knows about adding charge and mineral salts mate its beyond my abilities atmo, i may invest and try it some day :D
I know there's a place in the UK that test your water and formulate grub for it, but I'm happy in the mud with this plagron alga bloom. All I use now ... no issues with my plants bar a bit of lockout when I try adding pk, so I don't add it now. :lol:

Dex put me onto using charge/castings in coco probably 5 years ago.

Once I dropped the Canna nutes and went to Dutch Pro hard water, I never had any issues at all with my set up. PLants were much healthier and I could leave them alone to grow.

:idn:

I can send you a few scoops of my worms poop if you want to try it? A few worms might be in there too. :oik!:
Yes Growers Ark im pretty sure tailor make ferts to youir water if you send them up a sample of water, they are based in Barnsley which is on my doorstep about 2 or 3 miles away, well they did, but yes great ferts they are that ive used more than once in past. I`m all for using cheapest coco ferts tbh nowadays.

I`m good with worm shit mate. Tbh ive just started using h202 once a week as a boost in early and mid bloom, well that and it keeps roots in a things sterile environment. Cheers for offer though :)
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Sorry to interupt your technical conversation.

But I find there is a lot of morning dew on the tips of the leaves in the morning, should these be wiped off before the lights come on again?

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Sorry to interupt your technical conversation.

But I find there is a lot of morning dew on the tips of the leaves in the morning, should these be wiped off before the lights come on again?

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Sorry to interupt your technical conversation.

But I find there is a lot of morning dew on the tips of the leaves in the morning, should these be wiped off before the lights come on again?
:lol:

Sorry, off on a tangent. :lol:

Nah, the plants do that.

What's you humidity running ta in there?
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Marcus wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:54 pm
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:37 pm
Sorry to interupt your technical conversation.

But I find there is a lot of morning dew on the tips of the leaves in the morning, should these be wiped off before the lights come on again?
:lol:

Sorry, off on a tangent. :lol:

Nah, the plants do that.

What's you humidity running ta in there?
hovering around 60% - with the humidifier off

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Marcus wrote:
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bigbadbillybob wrote:
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worm humus in coco? Why did you add that?

er, thats really not a good idea, coco is a hydroponic growth method, and you are mixing organic soil additive with non organic coco? .
Worm humus is meant for use with soil, to break down bacteria in the soil, it will do nothing good in coco.
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thats just piss poor advice. whoever gave you it- dont ask them for advice again, they clearly dont have a clue.
Erm, folks have been using castings in coco for donkeys, no issues. Think there's a couple of folks on here and the other places that use it to no ill effect.

Also good to use castings as a tea drench.

10% ain't gonna rock the boat and should help with a bit of cation exchange.

His plants look sound, bar a few growing pains.

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thats just piss poor advice. whoever gave you it- dont ask them for advice again, they clearly dont have a clue.
I agree worm castings should be used more, don't go putting people off using them. Aloe concentrate is good for bugs in your soil/medium. Or neem cake added to soil (I'd never use any spray/oil)

If I don't get bugs on my organic grows I starty getting worried :lol:
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Yeah, i agree worm castings should be used more-in soil. each to thier own, i would never use organics in coco personally, i think its pointless- its a hydroponic medium, but if your happy, then crack on. Dont let me stop you.

Not that im planning using coco ever again, i hate it.........
WOuld be a pretty boring world if we all agreed on everything eh? :bye:

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more questions for you pro's

plant is now 28 days from germination

I need to LST and add a net as my space is limited (60x60x140)
Canna say I should go into the 2nd veg state and switch lights to 12/12 - not sure on this? sounds like veg 2 is early flowering?
based on the height of my tent, and that I need to keep the lights 30cm from the plant. I can only grow to approx 110cm - taking of 20 cm for medium, leaves me with 90cm total plant height. According to the videos the plant doubles in height during flowering, so I should stay in veg until my plant is roughly 40-45cm?

Also should I defoliate the leaves at the bottom, that don't get light? ALso, a few user damaged leaves near the bottom, can they go?


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