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Re: Low Watt Grow - 190w in 80x80cm

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GMO wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:20 pm
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GMO wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:27 pm
Ooosh, yeah compared to 95w I cant hold a candle. It's more a reference to the typical 30-35w that is specified as needed

So 192.4w over 80x80cm is under lit

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Okay, ive been doing lots of reading and asking questions around the place all because bloody HMR shared a podcast today

So this diary is also going to be a little test of a strange method thats risen in my interest very quickly

The Method is referred to as HFF or High Frequency Fertigation (fertigation being the application of nutrients with irrigation water [learning yet... i was already filling with joy of a new method]) you can read the original article for yourself here https://www.cocoforcannabis.com/watering_coco/ but the general over view is to look to keep coco wet all the time, incrementally increasing the frequency of fertigation but with a careful attention to limiting run off and controlling EC (the second half isnt really being used as ill just flood 15mins a go are reuse any run off)

But there is also a second part to my education today and thats the utter need for calmag when growing in coco and exacerbated incredibly but recirculating....... again im going to leave you the original article to read at your leisure https://www.cocoforcannabis.com/needcalmag/
but the overview is that throughout the grow cycle the CEC are doing everything in their power to take Cal from your nutrients and as the medium breaks down more CEC become available to take even more.

So with those two pretenses I have increased feeds to twice a day and will be ordering cal/mag asap

thanks for reading
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Hi again GMO,
GMO wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:16 am
What are vegetation strips buddy?
That's part of what the title appeared to announce which actually made me curious enough to read in the 1st place.

Ordinary light with CRIs above 80 % are clearly designed to accomodate the human eye, while in cannabis cultivation i'd assume the whole light spectrum to be subdivided as a function of the plant's own basic needs, for example:

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And that's only 1 chain of bio-molecular "pigments" or "antennas" involved in healthy vegetal life, with plenty of dark bands between efficiency peaks.

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Egzoset wrote:Hi again GMO,
GMO wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:16 am
What are vegetation strips buddy?
That's part of what the title appeared to announce which actually made me curious enough to read in the 1st place.

Ordinary light with CRIs above 80 % are clearly designed to accomodate the human eye, while in cannabis cultivation i'd assume the whole light spectrum to be subdivided as a function of the plant's own basic needs, for example:

Image

And that's only 1 chain of bio-molecular "pigments" or "antennas" involved in healthy vegetal life, with plenty of dark bands between efficiency peaks.

Good day, have fun!! :oik!:
I think our understanding of light dependant and light independent reactions in photosynthesis have different understandings

I believe that stage 1 research has shown that outlaying far and deep red can substitute normal photosynthetic photons where stage 2 does still completely rely on the classic photosynthetic photons

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Re: Low Watt Grow - 190w in 80x80cm

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Hi again GMO,
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:15 am
...light dependant and light independent reactions in photosynthesis...
Perhaps you meant wavelength, yet i wouldn't pretend i can even clarify this through 1st-hand experimentation of my own, not to mention there's possibly more interactions besides dark bands indeed: for example go figure if apparent/instant energy savings during the vegetative phase wouldn't still affect flowering and harvest retroactively.

The spectrum is ~400 nm so if my "granularity" were to be set at 20 nm that's already 20 bands to evaluate and my previous schematic is a simple reminder about vital multi-stage (series-connected) "chains" as in chlorophyl A and B, so i got to wonder if it just doesn't call for a massive collective effort if such research ain't meant to last forever. It sure sounds safer to expect more layers of complexity although i can hardly begin to imagine a suitable strategy to provide more answers than i got questions, hence my initial curiosity.

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Egzoset wrote:Hi again GMO,
GMO wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:15 am
...light dependant and light independent reactions in photosynthesis...
Perhaps you meant wavelength, yet i wouldn't pretend i can even clarify this through 1st-hand experimentation of my own, not to mention there's possibly more interactions besides dark bands indeed: for example go figure if apparent/instant energy savings during the vegetative phase wouldn't still affect flowering and harvest retroactively.

The spectrum is ~400 nm so if my "granularity" were to be set at 20 nm that's already 20 bands to evaluate and my previous schematic is a simple reminder about vital multi-stage (series-connected) "chains" as in chlorophyl A and B, so i got to wonder if it just doesn't call for a massive collective effort if such research ain't meant to last forever. It sure sounds safer to expect more layers of complexity although i can hardly begin to imagine a suitable strategy to provide more answers than i got questions, hence my initial curiosity.

Good day, have fun!! :bye:
Take a look at these buddy

https://youtu.be/sS7aAcacfgk

And this

https://youtu.be/dXkYPN3HD6A

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Re: Low Watt Grow - 190w in 80x80cm

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Hi there GMO!

Interesting comments @ 9:33 and 12:59 respectively, though in terms of potency cost i'd refrain from implying that what's good for letuce leaves is necessarily valid for cannabis trichomes as well. Which is one more hint about the complex work awaiting ahead, but at least that's a rational start: better have a strong healthy plant to begin with i guess!

Good day, have fun!! :thanks:

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Egzoset wrote:Hi there GMO!

Interesting comments @ 9:33 and 12:59 respectively, though in terms of potency cost i'd refrain from implying that what's good for letuce leaves is necessarily valid for cannabis trichomes as well. Which is one more hint about the complex work awaiting ahead, but at least that's a rational start: better have a strong healthy plant to begin with i guess!

Good day, have fun!! :thanks:
You are absolutely right. And with the evidence I can find I figure why not have a go in a physical application even if it's just interesting and doesnt prove much

Thanks for reading tho bud and I really enjoy you comments, even if I have to google some of the words lol

It's nice to share the info or lack of what we can collectively pool together somewhere like this. So thanks for making me consider things more critically

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Re: Low Watt Grow - 190w in 80x80cm

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Salutations GMO,
GMO wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:10 pm
...I figure why not have a go in a physical application...
The hobby alone can provide precious enlightment and serenity, i may never forget such feeling after having a relatively brief glimpse at it.
GMO wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:10 pm
...making me consider things more critically...
The 2 video documents previously submitted proved being a fair eye opener doubling as a stimulating challenge, that's a good bargain to me who simply commented on a threads title initially! Thank YOU for sharing the fun, that time was well spent.

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Re: Low Watt Grow - 190w in 80x80cm

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Lot's of science already in this diary. By the end of it would be a masterpiece full of info! Keep it going GMO!

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