Zkittlez Fem Auto & Chem OG - 2020 NYGC - TommyT

[Keeno]

Right...

I think it's to late for the biggun but dont mean to just bin em. Always worth a try. I'm tempted to say the soil is to hot coz of the n claw but I've never seen anything like that from hot soil. I think you got 2 things going on here. N or some other tox coupled with a serious mag def. Your last post on page 2 looks like mag to me.

Flush the seedlings our and if you can get them in a milder mix.

I've asked Bulls to pop in tomorrow morning.

Link me to the soil when you can
Are you phing the feed going into the soil?
Are you using any feeds, if so which?
Have you implemented any for of cal mag and if so when?

[TommyT]

I have not ph'ed the soil. I know that was dumb. I should have. I didn't have any water run off with the Blumat waterers.
The water ph is 6.5
I added a little nutes from Dyna-Gro. Very small amount. About a total of 4 liters of water with recommended nutes in their entire life. Usually just ph'ed water. (I heeded your warning about soil looking hot.)
I also learned later with this soil you are not supposed to fertilize it.
The only cal-mag I used was with the little bit of feeding I did. I read somewhere that powdered egg shells (which is in the soil) add calcium but the soil needs to have more magnesium added. It's weird that this just started. Maybe because I stopped feeding everything and they need the cal-mag.
I'm really leaning toward trying to add just cal-mag to the water and nothing else.

Here is the recipe for the soil:

New ‘Super Soil’ Recipe by Subcool – Makes ~12 ft3
• 8 – 1.5 ft3 bags of high quality base soil
• 1 – 33lb. bag of Worm Castings
• 2.5 lbs. Fish Bone Meal <--------------------skipped this
• 5 lbs. High Phosphorus Bat Guano
• 5 lbs. Blood Meal
• 2.5 lbs. Bone Meal
• 3 cups. Oyster Shell <-------- used egg shells
• 3 cups. Kelp Meal
• 3 cups Alfalfa Meal
• 3/4 cup Epsom Salt
• 1 cup Dolomite Lime
• 2 cups Azomite
• 2 TBS powdered Humic Acid <--------------------couldn't find this

[kbag]

The bone meal is for Calcium and added phosphorous and the Humic acid aids water and nutrient uptake. I am sure this soil was meant to be used a bottom dressing I could be wrong. Its def weird one Tommy it looks like a iron def to me but tbh im not 100% on it well no where near it. Wish i could help but sometimes no advice is better than the wrong advice.

[TommyT]

Here's more info. This all sounds just like my issues.
From: https://www.growweedeasy.com/cannabis-p ... n-toxicity

Recap: How You Know You Have a Nitrogen Toxicity

Dark green leaves and foliage
Leaf tips turn down, without signs of overwatering.
You may notice yellowing on the affected leaves or other signs of nutrient deficiencies as time goes on
Nitrogen toxicity is often but not always accompanied by nutrient burn
The Claw often seems random, affecting leaves here and there
Heat and pH problems will make the clawing worse, as they stress out the plant and lower her defenses, and cause her to drink more water (and uptake more N)
As time goes on, the claw leaves will eventually start turning yellow, getting spots, and dying

[seymore_budz]

Hey Tommy,

It looks like you have several issues, the look like they have had N toxicity at some point but you also look like you have iron and maybe Mg def. My guess is the soil is out of balance and that lead to all of the above. I think it may of been due to the missing fish bone meal as that will provide a lot of the macros and micros to the plant.

Nothing wrong with 6.5PH in soil so all good there :) I think next time you should grab a bag of something rich like Plagron royalty mix or the equivalent. For an a analogy, you can't bake a cake with some of the ingredients missing. The oyster shells would of provided iron, calcium and nitrogen, the egg shells will provide the same but more than likely in a different ratio (needs confirming), the fish bone meal would of provided all sorts of goodies and the humic acid acts as a PH stabilizer, chelator and feeds the microlife that in turn, feeds the plants.

Hope this helps!

[TommyT]

Hope this helps!

You bet it does! Thanks! I just keep learning more and more.

[seymore_budz]

Hope this helps!

You bet it does! Thanks! I just keep learning more and more.

We are all learning bud :) I've been wrestling with a hydro grow using RO water. It's been up and down so far but a lot of it is lack of data! You just have to throw things at a wall and hope they stick. The fun comes from the journey. It's not nice to have issues but working out the issues keeps you sharp and you reenforce learning. Something you can't get from a book or the tinternet.

[TommyT]

Just an update:
Since this soil was way to hot. I decided to take ½ of the super soil and mix it with ½ of plain potting soil. I did add more perlite for drainage and added Bone Meal.
I have since harvested the plants.
I will update more as soon as I do a write-up just to close this diary.

[TommyT]

Here is the write-up to close this diary.
I harvested the two plants.

I got 4.1 grams from the single bud on the stunted Zkittlez.

And I got 18.3 grams from the stunted Chem OG

When I harvested the plants the leaves and stems they would snap clean in half. Like a straight pretzel. Instead of bending and kinking like a straw like they normally do.

I know this is a sad little diary but I'll try to do better next time.