Wu's Autopot Adventures 3 - Spring Session - Orange Soul by Trichome Jungle Seeds

[Keeno]

What are you doing at flip Wu?

Changing light power?
Change in feed?

[wutang]

Light power stays the same.

Increasing feed. But they seem to always b hungry.

I've not checked on them today but they could he burnt or doing bloody well after I got crazy at took it to 4ml/l. I'll check tomorrow.

[Keeno]

There's got to be something going on for this to be happening everytime. Immediate gut reaction is light, to much of it. But you are not upping the power.

They are still drinking - not locked out
They are fading out - using up nutrients

4ml per liter is insane though, especially for this stage of growth. What feed are you changing and exactly when?

What is your background EC?

Are you using any form of cal mal, if so how, when?

How long are you vegging?

While you may be pulling them out of this stage of them being fussy, it won't be helping you long run. The first 3 weeks are crucial, if you are having this happen every grow its going to be effecting your end result, even if that's by a small amount it's adding up over the grows.

[wutang]

There's got to be something going on for this to be happening everytime. Immediate gut reaction is light, to much of it. But you are not upping the power.

They are still drinking - not locked out
They are fading out - using up nutrients

4ml per liter is insane though, especially for this stage of growth. What feed are you changing and exactly when?

What is your background EC?

Are you using any form of cal mal, if so how, when?

How long are you vegging?

While you may be pulling them out of this stage of them being fussy, it won't be helping you long run. The first 3 weeks are crucial, if you are having this happen every grow its going to be effecting your end result, even if that's by a small amount it's adding up over the grows.

Background ec = 0.6 / 300ppm

When I changed the lights to 12/12 I upped the feed of a and b, added 0.5ml/l buddy.

But from what I can see looking back even in veg they looked underfed based on the yellow. Now this was the case in early veg in the prop as well. I fed them too low.

No calmag used ever

Vegged for about 2/3 weeks

To me it looks like I under feed every grow or certain parts of notes are being locked out maybe due to my water quality.

This is the first time I've taken it to 4ml/l this early but its the only thing I haven't tried from previous grows. When I was hitting this feed in one of my previous grows the plants never showed signs of burning..instead I can remember one plant lapping it up and developed dense and luscious buds..that is still a nice smoke till this day.

I have almost everything else dialled in. I'll check tonight when lights come on to see what's happened after the last few days..if they're burnt ill swap nutes and lower the feed.

Thanks mukka. Love

[Keeno]

I've got something for you to try. It will certainly try with the transition period to flower which is when this is showing itself. I'll have to write it out when on laptop as be fooked if I'm typing on phone longer than needed

[wutang]

I've got something for you to try. It will certainly try with the transition period to flower which is when this is showing itself. I'll have to write it out when on laptop as be fooked if I'm typing on phone longer than needed

They're drinking 5l a day atm! Went in 2 days after and tank was empty...anyways...they weren't burnt..if anything starting to look better? Thoughts my peoples:



Topped up again at 4ml/l
0.5ml/l buddy (took it down from last feed at 1ml/l)
1540 total.ppm (300 base). Slightly less ppm than last batch.
5.8 ph

[Keeno]

I think where you are going wrong is... the dreaded cal mag of doooooom debate.

Since I started "loading up" with calmag I don't see these issues. There are numerous ways of doing it. I'll list my most successful method below:

In coco I use the exact same nutrients as you, but at much lower volumes, despite vegging much longer. Cal mag is a tricky fecker so I use it scheduled manner, no matter the colour of plants at the time, if they look like they need it or not.

You veg much shorter periods than me so will only need to do this twice. Add 0.5ml per litre of cal mag to your feed 10-14 dats before flip for 1 - 2 days. On the day/days you add it, foliar feed Epsom salts as well. The Epsom salts will make the cal mag more available to the plants.

Then repeat 1 week into flower.

After the 2nd you may see some real dark leaves, possibly even a few burnt tips. This isnt a issue as you know it's from your cal mag treatment, not your feed. Don't worry about ec or ppm reading on the days yiu do this. Just add the cal mag on top of your normal feed.

I call this loading up and it will make a difference, especially under high power led.

That being said don't add cal mag to your current feed. Its already mad high for stage and it may tip the balance to over feeding. Instead for this current grow do this:

As for this grow. You are feed MAD high and I get the reasoning given the colour of the plants. The base nutrients have cal and mag in them, at the levels of feed you are at, a good foliar feed of Epsom salts now will make that cal and mag and other goodies more available to the plants. 1 - 2 teaspoons of epsom salts to 1 litre of warm water, soak the plants, covering all the leaves, top and bottom. Do this at least 1 hour after lights on, but obviously be mindful of water on leaves and light damage. Once applied turn lights right down for a hour while it dries off, then back to normal power. I'm confident you'll see a Noticeable difference with 2 days of doing the foliar.

[Keeno]

Edited the above post, 1 - 2 teaspoons if espsom salts to 1 litre of warm water, not 1 - 2 teaspoons of calmag

[wutang]

I think where you are going wrong is... the dreaded cal mag of doooooom debate.

Since I started "loading up" with calmag I don't see these issues. There are numerous ways of doing it. I'll list my most successful method below:

In coco I use the exact same nutrients as you, but at much lower volumes, despite vegging much longer. Cal mag is a tricky fecker so I use it scheduled manner, no matter the colour of plants at the time, if they look like they need it or not.

You veg much shorter periods than me so will only need to do this twice. Add 0.5ml per litre of cal mag to your feed 10-14 dats before flip for 1 - 2 days. On the day/days you add it, foliar feed Epsom salts as well. The Epsom salts will make the cal mag more available to the plants.

Then repeat 1 week into flower.

After the 2nd you may see some real dark leaves, possibly even a few burnt tips. This isnt a issue as you know it's from your cal mag treatment, not your feed. Don't worry about ec or ppm reading on the days yiu do this. Just add the cal mag on top of your normal feed.

I call this loading up and it will make a difference, especially under high power led.

That being said don't add cal mag to your current feed. Its already mad high for stage and it may tip the balance to over feeding. Instead for this current grow do this:

As for this grow. You are feed MAD high and I get the reasoning given the colour of the plants. The base nutrients have cal and mag in them, at the levels of feed you are at, a good foliar feed of Epsom salts now will make that cal and mag and other goodies more available to the plants. 1 - 2 teaspoons of epsom salts to 1 litre of warm water, soak the plants, covering all the leaves, top and bottom. Do this at least 1 hour after lights on, but obviously be mindful of water on leaves and light damage. Once applied turn lights right down for a hour while it dries off, then back to normal power. I'm confident you'll see a Noticeable difference with 2 days of doing the foliar.

Thank you bro. I had a look at cannas calmag just interested to see. So I'm I. Hard water 0.6ec, but I smell a lot of chlorine in the water too. Do you think this could be blocking the uptake of cal and mag? They seem to be okay with 4ml/l for now..I won't take it any higher.

Even if chlorine is blocking rhe uptake..then adding calm again won't necessary help as its the same water I'm adding it too?

Thanks for the detailed response bro. Appreciate it

[Keeno]

Good morning Wu,

Same sort if water as me with that ec, I bet you go through some kettles and water pumps lol.

The correct answer with the chlorine I'd let the water sit for a day as you know, the wrong answer and whete I think most of us end up... I haven't done that fir years, straight out of tap and into res for me, that's up to you.

I don't think it's the Chlorine. What I think is happening is your plants hormones are changing at flip and they are requiring more of x or y at flip, this will be mainly down to amount of light being used. I want to stress that you are not using too much light, it's just the plants wanting more of a certain nutrient under that specific light when they are transitioning. As you say, this keeps happening. I'll post a video I done a while back that explains some of what I'm trying to say.

I would NOT add calmag to this current feed regime wu. Try the Epsom salts foliar feed. The Epsom salts while cal mag based, acts as a softener, allowing your plants to make use of some of the elements in your current feed a little easier. There are other products that will do this thst are sold as specific to the hobby. RAW Amino and RAW Yukka extract do similar at a much higher cost.

Look at Epsom salts not as a boost or additive, but more a softening or helping hand to make use of what's already there. And there's more than enough there at 4ml per litre. I've never gone close to that number and you've seem some of my big long vegged scrogs, all under high power led.

If we look at canna a and b, or any base nutrients, they have set amounts of certain nutrients/elements. Different lights, LED, CMH, HPS, all produce different amounts of usable light, different spectrums, and the plants will react/require different feeds accordingly. This is what I think is behind a lot of issues under LED growing. I'm not saying you have cal or mag def. I'm saying the balance is likely out as the plants are demanding more of certain things, specifically at times like flowering. Using certain products or aids can negate some of this. Epsom salts is a great one.

Here the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M80Gffu9KH0

It's a good reference point as there are 3 different LED lights, all different power, all making the plants want different things. In a single groom with 1 light you only have 1 reference point, which normally leads growers to just up feed, instead of look at other fixes or helping hands like softening products.