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Re: Why you should not use Grow Boosters or Extra Nutrients

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Clunge Muncher wrote:
integrajosh wrote:
Clunge Muncher wrote:I spoke to my mate that uses RO in his systems and he said...
Yeah mate if using pure RO as base i add cal mag and get to 0.2/0.3 before adding any other nutes.


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Thanks man, I went ahead and downloaded the feed chart from ionic also. Waiting on my ec/tds meter to come in so I can check my water and see where it's at. If I can get away with using carbon filtered tap for dwc like I already am for soil, I'm definitely going to. That would save me another 300$ on a good RO system

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No worries mate, I wouldn't go by the chart mate that will raise your EC way more than you need.
Get the background EC to 0.2-0.3 and then add some bit by bit until you hit a EC of 0.5-0.6, that will do for small plants and work up from there as they grow if you get me. Your best to under feed slightly to keep them feeding than over feed and lock em out..

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Just wondering if I can mix some nutes up in a quart jug and make it super concentrated, and then add that to the water until I get my desired EC? For example, mix up 5 gallons worth of nutrients in a quart jug. What do you think? Just trying to make it as simple as possible without wasting a bunch of water every time I need to top up the reservoir

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Re: Why you should not use Grow Boosters or Extra Nutrients

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integrajosh wrote:
Clunge Muncher wrote:
integrajosh wrote:Thanks man, I went ahead and downloaded the feed chart from ionic also. Waiting on my ec/tds meter to come in so I can check my water and see where it's at. If I can get away with using carbon filtered tap for dwc like I already am for soil, I'm definitely going to. That would save me another 300$ on a good RO system

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No worries mate, I wouldn't go by the chart mate that will raise your EC way more than you need.
Get the background EC to 0.2-0.3 and then add some bit by bit until you hit a EC of 0.5-0.6, that will do for small plants and work up from there as they grow if you get me. Your best to under feed slightly to keep them feeding than over feed and lock em out..

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Just wondering if I can mix some nutes up in a quart jug and make it super concentrated, and then add that to the water until I get my desired EC? For example, mix up 5 gallons worth of nutrients in a quart jug. What do you think? Just trying to make it as simple as possible without wasting a bunch of water every time I need to top up the reservoir

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I add my feeds straight in the res, if I topped up with say 20L of water I'd start with 20ml, let it circulate for a while and if needed add 5-10ml a time until you get to the EC you want. It won't take long before your doing it without thinking.



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Did you ever completely change out the reservoir or just top off the entire grow? I'm going to be running a scrog like usual, so I'll have to pump the water out in order to change it completely was thinking about just topping off the entire time but I don't know if that's a good idea there's mixed opinions on how often to change out the res water
Clunge Muncher wrote:
integrajosh wrote:
Clunge Muncher wrote: No worries mate, I wouldn't go by the chart mate that will raise your EC way more than you need.
Get the background EC to 0.2-0.3 and then add some bit by bit until you hit a EC of 0.5-0.6, that will do for small plants and work up from there as they grow if you get me. Your best to under feed slightly to keep them feeding than over feed and lock em out..

From Me Phone Enit..
Just wondering if I can mix some nutes up in a quart jug and make it super concentrated, and then add that to the water until I get my desired EC? For example, mix up 5 gallons worth of nutrients in a quart jug. What do you think? Just trying to make it as simple as possible without wasting a bunch of water every time I need to top up the reservoir

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I add my feeds straight in the res, if I topped up with say 20L of water I'd start with 20ml, let it circulate for a while and if needed add 5-10ml a time until you get to the EC you want. It won't take long before your doing it without thinking.



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Re: Why you should not use Grow Boosters or Extra Nutrients

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integrajosh wrote:Did you ever completely change out the reservoir or just top off the entire grow? I'm going to be running a scrog like usual, so I'll have to pump the water out in order to change it completely was thinking about just topping off the entire time but I don't know if that's a good idea there's mixed opinions on how often to change out the res water
Clunge Muncher wrote:
integrajosh wrote:Just wondering if I can mix some nutes up in a quart jug and make it super concentrated, and then add that to the water until I get my desired EC? For example, mix up 5 gallons worth of nutrients in a quart jug. What do you think? Just trying to make it as simple as possible without wasting a bunch of water every time I need to top up the reservoir

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I add my feeds straight in the res, if I topped up with say 20L of water I'd start with 20ml, let it circulate for a while and if needed add 5-10ml a time until you get to the EC you want. It won't take long before your doing it without thinking.



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I did a res change nearly every week to 10 days and top up inbetween apart from when I was flushing I just topped up with RO-DI water

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Re: Why you should not use Grow Boosters or Extra Nutrients

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integrajosh wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:46 pm
Just wondering if I can mix some nutes up in a quart jug and make it super concentrated, and then add that to the water until I get my desired EC?
Hello buddy if you are thinking of just mixing nutrients only in a jug without water I wouldn't recommend it. If you check labels on most nutrients they say mix separately in water, never mix together. It's something to do with the molecules bonding together and not dissolving in water.

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I've heard that also, good looking out though I think I'm just making it way more complicated than it needs to be I'm going to take you guy's advice though, this forum is awesome I'm glad I joined. Long time grasscity member but it seems like no one wants to help each other out on that site anymore
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integrajosh wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:46 pm
Just wondering if I can mix some nutes up in a quart jug and make it super concentrated, and then add that to the water until I get my desired EC?
Hello buddy if you are thinking of just mixing nutrients only in a jug without water I wouldn't recommend it. If you check labels on most nutrients they say mix separately in water, never mix together. It's something to do with the molecules bonding together and not dissolving in water.
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Re: Why you should not use Grow Boosters or Extra Nutrients

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Excellent post Bulls. This doesnt just happen in the world of weed growers. Any nursery or home depot joint has shelves and shelves of fertilisers for every plant. Once you learn to read labels you ill save a fortune. Coincidentally I had a conversation today with a woman who keeps getting sucked in by marketing hype and she has a shed full of fertilisers and products she has no idea how to use to the point she doesn't use them because she is afraid how one may react with another. This is a general garden situation. Here is a pic to back you up of a seedling I was about to pot up from a 140mm pot into the garden. Totally organic no boosters, no fertiliser at all from memory. Just good healthy soil. It can be very confusing for people.


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Re: Why you should not use Grow Boosters or Extra Nutrients

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Not wrong. Spent about 6 yrs messing with different bits, easy to get sucked into it all it seems quite glamorous at the time for an enthusiast. But the simple ways (as ever) prove to be the most reliable/effective. Some of the new nutes coming out nowadays are almost comical, so many different additives which simply don’t need to be either separated or there at all. All they do for me now is brighten up grow shops. Stick to what’s good can’t go wrong!

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Re: Why you should not use Grow Boosters or Extra Nutrients

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integrajosh wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:00 pm
Bulls wrote:
Good Morning GrowRoom420.

I keep hearing and people asking what kind of nutrients to use in flower. But do you really need them?

Overdoing it with nutrients and grow boosters is one of the most often made mistakes when cultivating cannabis. Learn how to use nutrients and grow boosters properly and why “less” is often more when you want to grow cannabis successfully.

If you are a cannabis grower who visits grow supply stores in person, or via the internet, you probably know just how many growing products exist out there. The sheer number of options can be overwhelming. Many companies feature a wide selection, from basic nutrients and fertilisers to grow boosters, bud enhancers and additives galore - not to mention the many other plant-enhancing supplements you could possibly imagine.

Quite often, the grower isn’t just advised to purchase a product or two for their operation. Instead, many of these companies recommend buying a lot of merchandise to make it seem like you can’t go another day without the latest (and most expensive) trend in cannabis plant care.

From that point of view, you can’t really blame growers when they fall for the hype and then, despite their best intentions, literally end up loving their plants to death! Frequent overfeeding and the administration of too many nutrients can cause more problems than they solve - an issue many new cultivators fall victim to.


Growth Problems from excess nutrients and improper nutrient balance


Considering that nutrient products are highly concentrated and that young plants are especially susceptible to incoming materials, it doesn’t take much to create a harmful imbalance and destroy your crop. Such excessive nutrients can cause all sorts of problems, including root and nutrient burn. When this happens, the roots or the leaves of your plant appear “burnt,” sustaining yellow and black discolourations.

Instances like these may urge you to go out and buy another product to fix the problem, but resist this desire! If your plants are suffering from root burn or nutrient burn, the first thing you should do is stop giving them anything and flush the plants.


Less is always Better!


Some less experienced growers think that cannabis requires some extraordinary skills, as well as a ton of different products. This is a common misconception that could not be further from the truth. Overdoing it, whether this means overwatering or packing your plants with unnecessary additives is a seemingly small mistake with giant repercussions. The good thing is, these slip-ups can easily be avoided!

A seasoned grower will inform you that some basic nutrients, the right amount of light and proper watering is (mostly) all it takes for a successful cultivation cycle. Even if some manufacturers claim their products “enhance” the flavour of your yield or make similar unsubstantiated claims, they often encourage the exact opposite effects.

The best case scenario when using certain unhelpful products will result in harsh or bitter tasting weed. The worst case scenario? Your entire crop starts shutting down plant by plant. If you really want to grow cannabis to achieve the most flavour and potency, you should keep things as simple and natural as possible.

When do you need special cannabis nutrients?

There are a few select cases where your plants may benefit from additional nutrients. NPK contained in potting soil doesn’t always last throughout the duration of a grow, but only for several weeks. While this will give your plants a good start, it may not be enough to achieve the kind of yields you are hoping for.

In such cases, you may want to consider administering nutrients after several weeks when the nutrients in the soil are mostly depleted. Once your plants have almost reached maturity, extra nutrients may give your crop a much-needed final kick during the flowering phase.

Some growers prefer to use unfertilised potting mix. This involves feeding your plants nutrients as soon as they are out of the seedling stage. This method allows experienced cultivators to regain more control over their crop, a helpful tactic to raise plants under unique growing conditions.

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE RIGHT BALANCE
When feeding nutrients to your cannabis plants, it's all about maintaining balance. More seasoned cultivators use their years of experience to “read” their plants, assessing what amount of nutrients to give. While this may sound complicated to novices, it is a skill that can be learned over multiple grow cycles, just by using your common sense.

So guys just keep it simple, don't go changing your nutrients halfway through the grow, only because someone told you "that's better". Less nutrients, easier to diagnose a problem and solve it. And most importantly - Don't be afraid to ask. That's why we're here to help!
Hey man, I just built my first dwc tub and planning on using it my next grow. I'm leaning towards using the lucas formula with the general hydroponics 3 part just to keep it nice and simple. But at the same time, a lot of growers are saying the lucas formula is way too stong for most plants. Any input on this?
Or do you have or know of a bulletproof nutrient line and feeding regimen that I could start with? I'm all ears
Also I should mention, I'll be using a chiller and RO water, so I'm sure I'll need a cal/mag supplement also?
Thanks in advance

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hi mate ive doe a few r/dwc grows with the canna aqua feed all you need is the vega flores and pk and just follow the guidelines on cannas website and you shouldnt have any issues
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Great write up Bulls mate i really enjoyed that, with this hobby of ours and this forum you learn more and more everyday

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