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Re: Cal/mag Is it really needed?

Post by The Aspie Toker » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:43 pm

integrajosh wrote:
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Lime is honestly a shit thing to add to soils, there's much better options that won't jack up your ph aspie.
That's if you leave it too late. I have mine in there for at least 3 months before using. It has stabilized by then.
1 tablespoon per 5 litres of soil.
Sry mate but I'm going with the guy that builds soils for a living. Just being open minded, that's all

This is an article where he compares popular organic soil mix recipes that people preach, and he actually has explanations of why he recommends what he usesImage

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Feel free to disagree. If you've ever used Verve, you'll know it lacks almost everything.

I would use D/Lime than garden lime as the C / Mg ratio is closer to what's needed than G/lime. It works for me.

I knew my latest batch of compost would be lacking in both C and Mg as it was mainly horse shit and grass cuttings. It was too late to add lime of any kind, so used cal-mag when the leaves started to pale at the sides.

Not my image, but some of the leaves started to look exactly like this...

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Fixed it with cal-mag.
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Re: Cal/mag Is it really needed?

Post by captain beefheart » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:11 pm

myself in my career ive never needed it tbh,my water background has a cf .1 ive grown using lots of different methods soil ,coco,nft,soiless........ even in my nans back garden + all i will say ive never needed it,infact im running a few 30 % perlite 70 % coco atm i see no issues. PRAISE THE LORD. HALLELUJAH :drama:
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Re: Cal/mag Is it really needed?

Post by GMO » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:29 pm

integrajosh wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:33 pm
That's true, but he's giving away free information when he could easily just say "hey, buy my soil. It'll fix all your problems"

I just really want to get as educated as possible on organic growing, looking to multiple sources for info, etc. Not bashing anybody that uses lime, to each their own

But if there's even a slight chance of an issue I wouldn't do it
Yeah completely dude, i think what i meant to say was more like use what you need to amend your soil. like for creating the texture or consistence you like. im shit at soil dont get me wrong. i think that dolomite lime is the standard suggestion as most people use B&Q verve so would likely all need the same amendment. a different soil or compost will need what you want to create the medium your after. what fits :)
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Re: Cal/mag Is it really needed?

Post by The Aspie Toker » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:33 pm

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myself in my career ive never needed it tbh,my water background has a cf .1 ive grown using lots of different methods soil ,coco,nft,soiless........ even in my nans back garden + all i will say ive never needed it,infact im running a few 30 % perlite 70 % coco atm i see no issues. PRAISE THE LORD. HALLELUJAH :drama:
The water round here is so hard, you can crack your teeth on it.

IIRC LED lights can cause Cal Mag issues as the plants need more under them.

With coir, you don't need perlite at all, Beefy.
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Re: Cal/mag Is it really needed?

Post by integrajosh » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:33 pm

GMO wrote:
integrajosh wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:33 pm
That's true, but he's giving away free information when he could easily just say "hey, buy my soil. It'll fix all your problems"

I just really want to get as educated as possible on organic growing, looking to multiple sources for info, etc. Not bashing anybody that uses lime, to each their own

But if there's even a slight chance of an issue I wouldn't do it
Yeah completely dude, i think what i meant to say was more like use what you need to amend your soil. like for creating the texture or consistence you like. im shit at soil dont get me wrong. i think that dolomite lime is the standard suggestion as most people use B&Q verve so would likely all need the same amendment. a different soil or compost will need what you want to create the medium your after. what fits :)
You're completely right bro, I guess as growers we're always looking for things to spoil the plants more.
Whatever work, works though

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Re: Cal/mag Is it really needed?

Post by integrajosh » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:34 pm

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myself in my career ive never needed it tbh,my water background has a cf .1 ive grown using lots of different methods soil ,coco,nft,soiless........ even in my nans back garden + all i will say ive never needed it,infact im running a few 30 % perlite 70 % coco atm i see no issues. PRAISE THE LORD. HALLELUJAH :drama:
The water round here is so hard, you can crack your teeth on it.

IIRC LED lights can cause Cal Mag issues as the plants need more under them.

With coir, you don't need perlite at all, Beefy.
Is this why my led causes purple stems? Same plants on the hps side no issues whatsoever

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Re: Cal/mag Is it really needed?

Post by The Aspie Toker » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:38 pm

integrajosh wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:34 pm
Is this why my led causes purple stems? Same plants on the hps side no issues whatsoever
Possibly, mate. I remember reading (I think when we were on the other site) that plants need more under LED.
If that was referring to all LED, or just the blurple ones (that were mainly around then) I cannot tell.

The thing with Verve is that it's not consistent. I've used it for weed, tomatoes as well as chillies. EVERY time with tomatoes, I'll get blossom end rot with Verve. A good spray with cal-mag always fixes the issues.
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Re: Cal/mag Is it really needed?

Post by integrajosh » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:43 pm

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Is this why my led causes purple stems? Same plants on the hps side no issues whatsoever
Possibly, mate. I remember reading (I think when we were on the other site) that plants need more under LED.
If that was referring to all LED, or just the blurple ones (that were mainly around then) I cannot tell.

The thing with Verve is that it's not consistent. I've used it for weed, tomatoes as well as chillies. EVERY time with tomatoes, I'll get blossom end rot with Verve. A good spray with cal-mag always fixes the issues.
Confused on why everyone there uses verve, is it hard to get earthworm castings and peat moss? To build a soil basically.
And amend it how you please

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Re: Cal/mag Is it really needed?

Post by captain beefheart » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:44 pm

The Aspie Toker wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:33 pm
captain beefheart wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:11 pm
myself in my career ive never needed it tbh,my water background has a cf .1 ive grown using lots of different methods soil ,coco,nft,soiless........ even in my nans back garden + all i will say ive never needed it,infact im running a few 30 % perlite 70 % coco atm i see no issues. PRAISE THE LORD. HALLELUJAH :drama:
The water round here is so hard, you can crack your teeth on it.

IIRC LED lights can cause Cal Mag issues as the plants need more under them.

With coir, you don't need perlite at all, Beefy.
aye aspie now how can i run soiless or as close to it as i want..........without perlite ? :laugh: shocking :bang head:
integrajosh wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:34 pm
The Aspie Toker wrote:
captain beefheart wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:11 pm
myself in my career ive never needed it tbh,my water background has a cf .1 ive grown using lots of different methods soil ,coco,nft,soiless........ even in my nans back garden + all i will say ive never needed it,infact im running a few 30 % perlite 70 % coco atm i see no issues. PRAISE THE LORD. HALLELUJAH :drama:
The water round here is so hard, you can crack your teeth on it.

IIRC LED lights can cause Cal Mag issues as the plants need more under them.

With coir, you don't need perlite at all, Beefy.
Is this why my led causes purple stems? Same plants on the hps side no issues whatsoever

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the purple stems are nothing to do with cal / mag under led !! ive got it now on all my cuttings in the drobe purple stems,imo its down to a cold root zone,as i will prove when my cuttings go in the chamber then to be warmed up by the HID then the red stems totally dissapear being fed the same feeds, a dope plant under led wont supp like 1 under HID .................... FACT :Stoned:
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Re: Cal/mag Is it really needed?

Post by The Aspie Toker » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:50 pm

captain beefheart wrote:
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the purple stems are nothing to do with cal / mag under led !! ive got it now on all my cuttings in the drobe purple stems,imo its down to a cold root zone,as i will prove when my cuttings go in the chamber then to be warmed up by the HID then the red stems totally dissapear being fed the same feeds, a dope plant under led wont supp like 1 under HID .................... FACT :Stoned:
IIRC it can be because there's a lack of K (or P, I cannot remember which) but if there's a Cal-mag issue, then that could cause the lockout/def in the first place.
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Re: Cal/mag Is it really needed?

Post by captain beefheart » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:52 pm

The Aspie Toker wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:50 pm
captain beefheart wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:44 pm
the purple stems are nothing to do with cal / mag under led !! ive got it now on all my cuttings in the drobe purple stems,imo its down to a cold root zone,as i will prove when my cuttings go in the chamber then to be warmed up by the HID then the red stems totally dissapear being fed the same feeds, a dope plant under led wont supp like 1 under HID .................... FACT :Stoned:
IIRC it can be because there's a lack of K (or P, I cannot remember which) but if there's a Cal-mag issue, then that could cause the lockout/def in the first place.
ive said all i can aspie ive never ever needed it + under led if the dopes being fed enough feed + stems are purple its cold root syndrome. :oik!:
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Re: Cal/mag Is it really needed?

Post by The Aspie Toker » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:53 pm

integrajosh wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:43 pm
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integrajosh wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:34 pm
Is this why my led causes purple stems? Same plants on the hps side no issues whatsoever
Possibly, mate. I remember reading (I think when we were on the other site) that plants need more under LED.
If that was referring to all LED, or just the blurple ones (that were mainly around then) I cannot tell.

The thing with Verve is that it's not consistent. I've used it for weed, tomatoes as well as chillies. EVERY time with tomatoes, I'll get blossom end rot with Verve. A good spray with cal-mag always fixes the issues.
Confused on why everyone there uses verve, is it hard to get earthworm castings and peat moss? To build a soil basically.
And amend it how you please

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It's cheap and not too strong. The quality can vary vastly as well.
Peat moss isn't easy to get everywhere. Worm shit takes a while to produce and not everyone has the space etc for one. Even composting horse shit and grass cuttings takes time.
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Re: Cal/mag Is it really needed?

Post by The Aspie Toker » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:55 pm

captain beefheart wrote:
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ive said all i can aspie ive never ever needed it + under led if the dopes being fed enough feed + stems are purple its cold root syndrome. :oik!:
It can also be a strain trait.

I've had it on my plants from time to time, but I can't say that it's ever been cold in the tent. I'm not saying you're wrong, I am saying it's not the only cause.
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Re: Cal/mag Is it really needed?

Post by captain beefheart » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:59 pm

The Aspie Toker wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:55 pm
captain beefheart wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:52 pm
ive said all i can aspie ive never ever needed it + under led if the dopes being fed enough feed + stems are purple its cold root syndrome. :oik!:
It can also be a strain trait.

I've had it on my plants from time to time, but I can't say that it's ever been cold in the tent. I'm not saying you're wrong, I am saying it's not the only cause.
ye streaking purple through stems more trait related i get it most with my livers only in flower tho not in veg !!! :idn: like i say ive never ever used cal mag i bought a bottle once + thought fuk me why use the shit when my dope flourished. :Stoned: horses for courses......... :puff puff:
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Re: Cal/mag Is it really needed?

Post by The Aspie Toker » Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:06 am

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i bought a bottle once + thought fuk me why use the shit when my dope flourishe
That's not a bad thing.
It's the same as online porn. You may not need it, but it's there for back up, just in case.
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Re: Cal/mag Is it really needed?

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